Φιλοι μου ….
Ακολουθωντας την συμβουλη του Αντωνη Κριτσιλη… σας παραθετω ενα Link οπου μπορειτε να βρειτε ενα εντυπο σε μορφη PDF στο οποιο ερμηνευονται ολες οι σφραγιδες που βλεπουμε πανω σε οπλα
http://www.premiermultigauge.co.uk/docs/proof.pdf
Βασιλης
ΣΦΡΑΓΙΔΕΣ ΠΑΝΩ ΣΕ ΟΠΛΑ
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Καλησπερα σε ολους. Πριν απο αρκετο καιρο ειχε πεσει στα χερια μου ενα .pdf με τις ημερομηνιες κατασκευης των Ιταλικων οπλων. Ειναι αυτο το τετραγωνακι με τα 2 λατινικα γραμματα που ειναι στις καννες.
Μηπως εχει το κανεις να μου το στειλει γιατι το χασα ;
Κάτι σαν αυτό αγαπητέ Βίκτωρα:
Χρονολογίες κατασκευής Ιταλικών όπλων Στον παρακάτω πίνακα μπορείτε να βρείτε πότε κατασκευάστηκε το (ιταλικό) όπλο σας με βάση τις σφραγίδες που υπάρχουν στην κάννη ή/και στην βάση. EΤΟΣ ΣΦΡΑΓIΔΑ 1945 I 1946 II 1947 III 1948 IV 1949 V 1950 VI 1951 VII 1952 VIII 1953 IX 1954 X 1955 XI 1956 XII 1957 XIII 1958 XIV 1959 XV 1960 XVI 1961 XVII 1962 XVIII 1963 XIX 1964 XX 1965 XXI 1966 XXII 1967 XXIII 1968 XXIV 1969 XXV 1970 XXVI 1971 XXVII ή XX7 1972 XXVIII ή XX8 1973 XXIX ή XX9 1974 XXX EΤΟΣ ΣΦΡΑΓIΔΑ 1975 AA 1976 AB 1977 AC 1978 AD 1979 AE 1980 AF 1981 AH 1982 AI 1983 AL 1984 AM 1985 AN 1986 AO ή AP 1987 AS 1988 AT 1989 AU 1990 AZ 1991 BA 1992 BB 1993 BC 1994 BD 1995 BF 1996 BH 1997 BI 1998 BL 1999 BM 2000 BN 2001 BP 2002 BS 2003 BT 2004 Γεία σας παιδιά κ καλή κυνηγετική χρονιά να έχουμε
Ψάχνοντας στο φορουμ πέτυχα αυτο το θέμα,λίγο παλιό αλλά για μένα επίκαιρο.Δοκίμασα από το παραπάνω λινκ να το κατεβάσω αλλά δυστυχώς δεν κατέβηκε(έδειχνε ότι κατέβαινε αλλά στο τέλος δεν εμφάνιζε τίποτα).Μπορώ να το βρώ πουθενά αλλού ή να μου το στείλει κάποιος αν γίνεται?
The Proof and Testing of Firearms
Purpose and brief history
Proof is the compulsory and statutory testing of every new shotgun or other small arm before sale to ensure, so far as it is practicable, its safety in the hands of the user. Reproof is the similar testing of a small arm which has previously been proved. Both necessarily involve the firing through the barrel of a considerably heavier load than is customary in the shooting field, thereby setting up pressure and stress on barrel and action much in excess of the pressure generated by standard load cartridges. Such pressure should, and is intended to, disclose weakness in guns, whether new or used, for it is preferable that weakness be found at a Proof House rather than in the field, where personal injury may result.
The Law
The present law on the subject is to be found in the Gun Barrel Proof Acts 1868, 1950 and 1978 and various Rules of Proof, but particularly those of 1925, 1954, 1986 and 1989 when the metric system of measurement was introduced. Copies of the Several Acts and of Rules of Proof of 1989 may be obtained from either Proof House.
The Proof Acts
The provisions of the Acts apply to all small arms, whether of present use or future invention, within certain fixed limits of bore size and projectile weight (with the exception of some military arms made for the use of H.M. Forces). Air guns, are exempt from proof by Proof Act.
The Proof Acts lay down that no small arm may be sold, exchanged or exported, exposed or kept for sale or exchange or pawned unless and until it has been fully proved and duly marked. The Maximum penalty is £5000 for each offence, but with provision for higher penalties where, for instance, the sale of a number of guns constitutes one offence. Alteration to or the forging of proof marks is a more serious offence.
Arms previously proved and bearing apparently valid proof marks are deemed unproved if the barrels have been enlarged in the bore beyond certain defined limits or if the barrel or action has been materially weakend in other respects.
The offence in dealing in unproved arms is committed by the seller, not by an unwitting purchaser.
Foreign proof marks
Until June 1980, there was reciprocal agreement for recognition of certain foreign proof marks by international agreement. Since June 1980 when the United Kingdom became a member of the International Proof Commission ( the CIP), the United Kingdom has recognised all the proof marks of other member nations and reciprocally they all recognise United Kingdom marks.
Rules of Proof
Rules, Regulations and Scales of Proof, a schedule to the Proof Act, are the working instructions of the two Proof Houses. The rules specify the pressure to be used in proof, standards of view and the marks to be impressed on guns which pass proof, together with much detail as to bore and chamber dimensions, proof and service pressure.
The latest Rules of Proof, those of 1989, were approved by the Secretary of State to come into force on 1 November, 1989, but proof under earlier Rules of 1875, 1887, 1896, 1904, 1916, 1925, 1954 and 1986 remains valid provided that the barrel or action has not been materially weakened or altered so that it no longer conforms with the proof marks.
Submission to proof
Any individual may submit arms for proof or reproof direct to either of the Proof Houses, but it is more usual and generally more satisfactory for all concerned that arms be submitted through a gunmaker.
Primarily this is because the majority of old guns require attention prior to proof. Proof regulations require that shotgun barrels shall be struck-up and smooth and that insides shall be clean. Pitting should be removed so far as is practicable, bulges knocked down and dents raised. Actions should be in good, safe working order and tight on the face to resist the increased strain of proof pressure. Since stocks, and particularly those with unusual bend or cast, are not designed to withstand the heavy recoil of proof, it is customary for the wood to be removed. Indeed, the Proof House do not accept responsability for damage to stocks resulting from proof.
It will be apparent that to fulfill these requirements the preparation necessary will best be undertaken by a gunmaker who is accustomed to submitting to proof.
Rejection
In the event of a proof reject, or failure to withstand the proof test, guns may be repaired if possible and resubmitted. On final rejection, that is when the submitter accepts that further attempts at repair are unlikely to succeed, the existing proof marks upon the barrels and/or action will be defaced or barred out. It is unlawful for a weapon to be sold with defaced proof marks, except where later reproof marks have been impressed. It is recommended that such a gun be deactivated, to ensure that it can never be used by some person unaware of its unproved condition.
Examples of proof marks impressed by the Birmingham Proof House
Proof Testing of Ammunition and Explosive Powders for the Trade and Home Loader.
Under the rules imposed on Proof Houses in Europe and other countries, set by our governing body, the Commission Internationale Permanente (CIP).
Headquarters in Liege, Belgium – cartridge manufacturers are required to provide samples of their products to be subjected to test by the Proof House and, if satisfactory, may carry the Proof House and CIP mark (see right).
Although the same rules do not apply to home loaders, given that their products cannot be legally sold, in the interests of safety the Proof House affords those parties opportunity to batch test their ammunition to ensure that the associated breech pressures and velocities are within acceptable standards. By so doing it removes the potential for weapons being damaged, thereby injuring the user or, even worse, innocent bystanders. Previous tests of this nature in the past have indicated the poor standards adopted by such parties and the lack of uniformity between rounds of ammunition.
Similar tests can be made on various powder batches or powder types.
The ammunition is tested in the Proof House Laboratory using modern test guns which are linked to a computer to provide graphical presentations.
Proof House and CIP mark
Shotgun Cartridge 5 to 10 shot pressure / velocity test £30.00
Metallic Cartridge 5 to 10 shot pressure / velocity test £48.90
http://www.gunproof.com/Proofing/proofing.html
Gun Barrel Proof Marks
Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service.
The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information. Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker to imagine that the light source is in the top left hand corner of the screen. De bossed or panelled marks show the depression in grey, with the original metal surface shown white (or transparent if shown against a grid).
Where possible the drawings will be presented against a gridded background as shown at right. The red squares in the grid represent two millimetres, but the images themselves may not be to an exact scale, mainly because the depth to which the marks are punched and the angle at which the punch was held when it was struck will also affect the size and shape of the mark. I have tried to be consistent in the application of this grid as a background to the individual marks, so that sensible comparisons may be made. However in measuring a large number of marks, I have found variations as large a 20% in some cases, although the majority will fall within plus or minus 4% of the drawings. There is a further complication in that punches of different sizes are used according to the size of weapon and so you may have marks that do not agree with the measurements as displayed here.
In cases where I cannot be certain of relative sizings the grid will be omitted. The symbols have been gathered from a large number of sources including magazine and book illustrations, the drawings themselves are all my own work.
This is a long term project and may not be completed quickly, however it will grow slowly as the information comes to light and is processed into the standardised .gifs… Any photographs, drawings or factual details that can be provided by others will be gratefully received and full recognition of source given. As with anything published on the web this information may not be as up to date or as complete as the latest details available from the proof houses, but the revision text at bottom right of this page will tell you when this particular page was last worked on. Viewing marks
Birmingham
gun makersview mark
1813-1904Actual mark
enhanced from
photo by
Bill ChennaultBirmingham
view mark1813-1904
From Notes on the proof of shotguns & other small armsSize or gauge markings
[GAUGE MARKS] Provisional proof marks
Birmingham Provisional
Proof markCurrent?
Definitive black powder proof
Belgian
(Liege)black
powder
mark
1968-??Belgian
(Liege)black powder
Muzzle Loading
mark
1968-??Definitive nitro powder proof
London 1925
used
on
actionLondon 1925
book
illustrationMilitary proof marks
Belgian
(Liege)Military
Nitro
mark
1968-??Special proof
[Special] Chamber marks
[Chamber Marks] Black powder marks
Birmingham
Company Proofmark
1813-1904Nitro powder marks
[NITRO MARKS] Service pressure marks
[PRESSURE MARKS] In some cases the pressure reached during proof is given rather than the service pressure for which the weapon is intended. It does not mean that a weapon can withstand such pressures repeatedly.
http://www.dave-cushman.net/shot/proofmarks.html
Εκτός από το link που είχε δώσει αρχικά ο Βασίλης:
http://www.premiermultigauge.co.uk/docs/proof.pdfμπορείτε να δείτε και το:
https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF/Fire…/Proofmarks.pdfΣτο παρακάτω link μπορείτε να βρείτε το έτος κατασκευής από τον αριθμό του όπλου και άλλα στοιχεία (για συγκεκριμένες εταιρίες και χρονολογίες):
https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF/Firearm/Serialize.pdfΚαλύτερα να κάνετε δεξί κλίκ και “save as” όπως πρότεινε και ο Αντώνης.
Επίσης να σημειώσουμε ότι ο πίνακας με τις χρονολογίες κατασκευής των ιταλικών όπλων που είχε βάλει παραπάνω ο Αντώνης Κριτσίλης προέρχεται από το http://www.hunter.gr (Κυνηγετικά Οπλα, Πότε φτιάχτηκε). Υπάρχουν διάφορες παραλλαγές του πίνακα σε διάφορα sites με μικροδιαφορές, εγώ έχω περιλάβει όλες τις εκδοχές. Δείτε και άλλα sites ενδεικτικά:
http://www.hallowellco.com/proof_date_codes.htm (και για άλλες χώρες-εταιρίες)
http://www.berettaweb.com/DL1.htm
http://www.huntclub.ru/Books/kaskov1/index.htm (Ρώσσικα…)
Πρέπει να είστε συνδεδεμένοι για να απαντήσετε σ' αυτό το θέμα.